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UNITY IN THE BODY OF CHRIST (JOHN 17)

UNITY IN THE BODY OF CHRIST

Some of the most pertinent exhortations in the New Testament originate in the Epistles of Paul. Still, observe what Peter wrote under inspiration of the Holy Spirit...

2Pe 3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are SOME THINGS HARD TO BE UNDERSTOOD, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Furthermore:
Hbr 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
:13 For every one that useth milk [is] unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, [even] those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

COMMENT: Who's to say that you are not the spiritual "babe?" After all, when you describe yourself as "apoplectic," it does not conjure ones confidence in your stability or objectivity.

ILLUSTRATION: I am a consistent listener of National Public Radio, (NPR), & enjoy most of the content, yet I am a "right-wing" Christian; however, I rarely listen to Rush Limbaugh because I find him offensive. Most likely Rush is a nice "off-the-air" fellow, but his radio personality attracts listeners.

Rick Joyner has been my pastor since '99. He is a solid leader, a good husband, & the father of five wonderful children. Largely, he is a topical preacher with a pastoral staff that deliver balanced, exegetical sermons.

Christians looking for the perfect teacher/preacher are invariably doomed for disappointment. No one on earth has a complete revelation of God but God Himself.

Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Besides, too often we depend on the pastor for our spiritual sustenance. In my opinion, this is because converts are taught, but disciples are trained. Consequently, we have churches filled with converts, not disciples. Only disciples can disciple; only disciples can replicate.

Figuratively speaking, we haven't been trained to "dig our own wells," or study the Word of God; therefore, the church in the USA is spoiled. We expect the pastor to do our Bible reading & study, not to mention prayer. The Body of Christ needs a paradigm shift.

You don't have to insinuate that Rick Joyner is a false prophet. At least his books inspire others, like yourself, to examine the Word of God. I have never heard Rick say his books were canon, but personally, I find them inspirational.
I know how to "chew on the hay & spit out the sticks."

Finally:
1Cr 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Cr 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am.
COMMENT: Perhaps every sermon, revelation, & insight should be prefaced by these truisms.

Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

AGAIN:
1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning [here] in fear:

CONCLUSION:
We need less criticism & more wisdom...

Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, [even] Christ:

1Cr 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?


Jam 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but [is] earthly, sensual, devilish.
:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [and] easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

AGAIN:
Psa 51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden [part] thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
COMMENT: God judges the heart, so be careful what you perceive about a man. Yes, you have the right to judge prophesy, but divisiveness cloaks itself in knowledge, & as the scripture exhorts:
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Sincerely,

Johndeweb


PS Help me stand against the Wahabists, who call themselves true Muslims. That is where the real end-time struggle exists. Let's stop fighting each other. The time is short, & we need a united front.

Jhn 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Infidels under Islam, learn from history. One of the largest genocides in the world's history. P1

Radical Islam: Never Forget

Confess

Hallelujah

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

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WW2:1941-1945 Hitler Grand Mufti Nazi Islam 02"

The Burial Cloth of Jesus

The Hungary Prayer Manuscript of 1192 confirms the Shroud of Turin

"ONED" WITH GOD

Eph 2:21 In Him the whole building is joined together & rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.

1Cor 6:17 They that are joined to the Lord are one Spirit.

Comment: God is One , & those who are joined to the Lord are "one" with Him . To explain this phenomenon here is an original word:

"Oned" [verb]: to become one with another; describing the mysterious union of God and man; to be transformed; 2 Cor 5:17 "A New Creation" in Christ. [noun] one with God; in marriage: "one flesh;" the "Born Again" reality of John 3:7.
WORD PLAY: Seasoned ["Seas" + "oned"]  Just as the sea becomes one with the ocean, figuratively speaking, we are like the "sea," flowing into God's "Ocean," through Christ.

Note: to say you are one with God is NOT to say you ARE God. Muslims have no equivalent.

Trinity of Cloud Formation

The Trinity of Cloud Formation:

1 Warm Air

2 Dust

3 Water Vapor


All air contains water, but near the ground it is usually in the form of an invisible gas called water vapor. When warm air rises, it expands and cools. Cool air can't hold as much water vapor as warm air, so some of the vapor condenses onto tiny pieces of dust that are floating in the air and forms a tiny droplet around each dust particle. When billions of these droplets come together they become a visible cloud.
http://www.weatherwizkids.com/cloud.htm

Practical Prosperity & Christianity

WE ARE SAVED FOR GOOD WORKS, NOT BY GOOD WORKS!

Anyway, what constitutes good? Talk to Muslims & you will get a different perspective on good works. For example, they believe in "good" polygamy.

Faith is the qualifier & works is the quantifier. Indeed, Christ alone determines our eternal destiny based on faith, but works determine the quality of that destiny. Of course, the highest reward is Jesus Himself. The penitent thief, who was crucified beside Jesus, had no works, but he had saving faith. His reward was the promise of his sins forgiven, & eternal life with Jesus Christ. Nothing compares to that prosperity, yet Jesus spoke of heavenly rewards based on our good works.

Mat 19:28,30 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. But many [that are] first shall be last; and the last [shall be] first.


What is practical prosperity? For a person who needs transportation practical prosperity could mean owning a reliable used car. For an unemployed person it could mean getting a full time job. John 15:7 says, "If ye abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."

WHEN GOOD IS THE ENEMY OF THE BEST

God is concerned about our needs & desires, but if we become preoccupied with them prosperity can become a snare. That's when good is the enemy of the best. Our goal is to be imitators of Jesus.

Jesus had material wealth, but material wealth didn't have Him.

He had disciples to care for, the poor to provide for, & other ministry needs that had to be met. Remember, Judas was His treasurer. I am sure there was abounding & abasing in Jesus' ministry, but God met every need above & beyond. A wedding feast had plenty of wine through a miracle, multitudes were fed by supernatural increase, a temple tax was paid from a fishes mouth, and a woman with no more money to pay the doctors was instantly healed.

JESUS HAD THE BEST RESULTS BECAUSE HE HAD THE BEST INTENTIONS.

1Cr 9:24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Speaking to his son Solomon, David talks about wisdom, "Long life is in her right hand; in her left hand are riches and honor." (Pro 3:16)

LOOK IN HIS EYES NOT AT THE PRIZE!

The idea is to seek God's face not His provision. Look in His eyes not at the prize. Matthew 6:33, "But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well."

Follow the advice of Proverbs 3 and you will qualify for biblical prosperity:

Pro 3:1,35 My son, do not forget my teaching, but keep my commands in your heart,
for they will prolong your life many years and bring you prosperity.
Let love and faithfulness never leave you; bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your heart.
Then you will win favor and a good name in the sight of God and man.
Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord and shun evil.
This will bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones.
Honor the Lord with your wealth, with the first fruits of all your crops; then your barns will be filled to overflowing, and your vats will brim over with new wine.
My son, do not despise the Lord's discipline and do not resent his rebuke, because the Lord disciplines those he loves, as a father the son he delights in.
Blessed is the man who finds wisdom, the man who gains understanding, for she is more profitable than silver and yields better returns than gold.
She is more precious than rubies; nothing you desire can compare with her.
Long life is in her right hand; in her left hand are riches and honor.
Her ways are pleasant ways, and all her paths are peace.
She is a tree of life to those who embrace her; those who lay hold of her will be blessed.
By wisdom the Lord laid the earth's foundations, by understanding he set the heavens in place; by his knowledge the deeps were divided, and the clouds let drop the dew.
My son, preserve sound judgment and discernment, do not let them out of your sight; they will be life for you, an ornament to grace your neck. Then you will go on your way in safety, and your foot will not stumble; when you lie down, you will not be afraid; when you lie down, your sleep will be sweet.
Have no fear of sudden disaster or of the ruin that overtakes the wicked, for the Lord will be your confidence and will keep your foot from being snared.
Do not withhold good from those who deserve it, when it is in your power to act.
Do not say to your neighbor, "Come back later; I'll give it tomorrow"-- when you now have it with you.
Do not plot harm against your neighbor, who lives trustfully near you.
Do not accuse a man for no reason-- when he has done you no harm.
Do not envy a violent man or choose any of his ways, for the Lord detests a perverse man but takes the upright into his confidence.
The Lord's curse is on the house of the wicked, but he blesses the home of the righteous.
He mocks proud mockers but gives grace to the humble.
The wise inherit honor, but fools he holds up to shame.

Conclusion:

Prosperity is not a dirty word, it's the lust, the greed & the pride of this world that snares people, even Christians if they are ignorant.

2Corinthians 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Is Jesus God?

RE: Is Jesus God?

Is water wet? Only if you touch or taste it.
Can you see air? No, yet you know it's there, because you always breath it & feel its affect.
Where did the wind come from & where does it go? It comes from above & goes where it will.
Can you hold the wind? In your hands, no, in your chest, yes!
If you stopped breathing would air stop being? No, your breath does not determine its reality.
How do clouds form? Clouds are formed from warm air, wind & moisture. The three are one. Repeat: the 3 are 1!

Believe in Jesus, your Savior & Lord!

Conclusion:

The prince is a servant until he becomes an heir. Death ushers in his reign. Jesus died to make you an heir.

Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Gal 4:1 Now I say, [That] the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

TO BE CONTINUED

Worship In Spirit & In Truth

Many traditional hymns are filled with unbelief, and they will never be sung in Heaven. A simple song of praise should'nt need to be dissected. Does a husband question the compliments & praises of hs wife?

Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from His power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

John 4:23-24 But the hour comes, & now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father IN SPIRIT & IN TRUTH: for the Father seeks such to worship Him.
God [is] a Spirit: & they that worship Him must worship [Him] IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH.

Unity or Diaspora: Where Is The Peace of Islam? Somalia, Sharia, Al-Shabaab

Islamist militiamen have chopped off the right hand and left foot of four teenagers accused of robbery in the Somali capital, Mogadishu.

The "cross-amputation" was ordered by a court set up by the radical al-Shabaab group, which is accused of links to al-Qaida and is trying to overthrow Somalia's weak transitional government.

"We have carried out this sentence under the Islamic religion and we will punish like this everyone who carries out these acts," said Sheikh Ali Mohamud Fidow, an al-Shabaab official. The extreme punishment will be viewed with alarm and disgust by most people in Somalia a traditionally moderate Muslim country where many men chew the narcotic leaf qat and women usually cover their heads but not their faces.

Lacking clear political goals, the insurgents are trying to forcibly install stricter Wahhabi Islam, which has roots in Saudi Arabia. Al-Shabaab courts have previously ordered single-limb amputations and executions in the southern city of Kismayo, but today's punishment in Mogadishu highlights the group's recent territorial gains.

The four male victims were found guilty of stealing mobile phones and other goods earlier this week. Several hundred people in the capital's Sukahola neighbourhood, which is controlled by the militia group, gathered to watch the amputations.

Witnesses reported that two hooded men applied tourniquets to the accused teenagers' arms and legs before using curved-blade knives to sever their hands and feet. The screaming victims were then taken away by ambulance.

Al-Shabaab and other hard line Islamist groups have stepped up their attacks against the government in Mogadishu in recent weeks, causing at least 159,000 people to flee since 7 May, according to the UN. Hundreds of people have been killed.

Last week the insurgents assassinated the city's police chief, while an al-Shabaab suicide bomber killed the Somali security minister and at least 20 other people in the town of Beledweyne, north of the capital.

By XAN RICE
http://www.newscred.com/article/show/title/somali-militia-cuts-off-right-hands-and-left-feet-of-teenagers-accused-of-stealing-4a43ad735cb62/1695458
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Conclusion:
Islam is not a political movement!
The early leaders of the Muslim nation following Muhammad's (570632) death were called "Khalifat Rasul Allah", means the political successors to the messenger of God (referring to Muhammad).

Correction:
Islam is not a religious movement!

Sincerely,

Johndeweb

Diaspora: To scatter throughout

Chet Atkins - Stars And Stripes Forever
Soundstage, 1978

Islamic Sects & The "One Nation" Fallacy

The Muslim who claims they are "one nation" have only their sect in mind...
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A Guide To Islamic Sects
http://www.rickross.com/reference/islamic/islamic27.html


The world's second-largest faith, Islam is hardly monolithic. Schisms, focusing first on disagreements over who should lead the new faith and later on matters of doctrine, began developing soon after the prophet Muhammad's death in the year 632.

Here are some of the major sects within Islam, which has 1.3 billion followers:

Sunni:
Accounting for at least 85 percent of the Islamic world, the Sunni claim to be the direct continuation of the faith as defined by Muhammad. For many years they acknowledged the religious authority of a ruling caliph, the major point of contention with the breakaway Shiite movement. The Sunni derive their name through reliance on the "Sunnah" or the observed sayings, lifestyle and practices of Muhammad as recorded in a collection of writings called the Hadith. The Sunni accept the "Sunnah" as a source of spiritual wisdom, while the Shiite insist on the primacy of the Koran.

Shiite:
The smaller of the two principal branches of Islam, the Shiite account for at least 10 percent of all Muslims. They originally were followers of the fourth caliph, Ali, who was Muhammad's son-in-law through the prophet's daughter Fatima. Ali claimed that Muhammad on his deathbed selected Ali as leader of the faith, but Ali was murdered during the fifth year of his reign. The Shiite formally broke away from Muslim leaders recognized by the Sunni around 680. A principal belief of the Shiite is that no caliph since Ali has been legitimate. The movement became popular among disaffected non-Arab Muslims who feared they were held in lower esteem within the faith.

Kharijis:
Accounting for less than 1 percent of all Muslims, the Kharijis were the first major schism within Islam. They broke away in 658 when they rejected the use of arbitrators empowered to decide major issues within the faith.

Druze:
A secretive Islamic breakaway group concentrated in Lebanon around Mt. Hermon and in the mountains near Beirut and Sidon. They refer to themselves as the Mowahhidoon. Most Muslims consider the sect blasphemous since it declared that God was manifested in human form as the Egyptian caliph al Hakim Bi-amr Allah 1,000 years ago. They number at least 250,000. The Druze do not accept new members, virtually never discuss their faith and often pose as members of the dominant religion where they live.

Alawi:
A small branch of Islam that broke away from the Shiite in the Ninth Century under the leadership of Ibn Nucair Namin Abdi. Almost exclusively found on the Syrian coast plains, the Alawi have 1.5 million members including Syrian President Hafez Assad.

Ismali:
A Shiite sect that believes the succession of spiritual leadership should have continued through the sons of Muhammad Ibn Isma'il. The Ismali believe that Islam has never been without a living Imam, even though clearly recognized spiritual authority became increasingly rare as Islam matured.

Ahmadiyyah:
Founded in Qadian, India, by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who died in 1908. Ahmadis believe their founder was a renovator of Islam, a position most of the world's Muslims consider to be heretical. The group has many enthusiastic missionaries.

Sufi:
These are the mystics within the Muslim faith, a religious order that follows mystical interpretations of Islamic doctrines and practices.

Wahhabi Movement:
Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab began a campaign of spiritual renewal in the smaller city states of Arabia in the mid- 1700s. His extremely traditional group opposed all innovations within Islam, often using violence to enforce its views. The group threatened to become the first nation state in Arabia, prompting a crackdown by the Egyptian army in 1818. Today, Wahhabism is quite strong in Saudi Arabia. It demands punishment for those who enjoy any form of music except the drum and severe punishment up to death for drinking or sexual transgressions. It condemns as unbelievers those who do not pray, a view that never previously existed in mainstream Islam. Wahhabism has been an inspiration to Osama bin Laden.

Conclusion:
- For the Christians, it is a heresy to rob Christ of his incarnate deity, and to reject his atonement on the Cross.
- For the Muslims, it is a heresy to have another prophet after Muhammad...

I am a Christian. Simple! No confusion!

Salvation is through Jesus Christ only!

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book

Adam, Where Are You?

Where Are You? Where Are You?
The age old question: "Adam, where are you?

Every human being will have to answer this question before God. There will be no props, no people, & no politics to support the answer. Either Jesus will say, " I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity." (Mat 7:23.) or He will say,
Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy Lord. (Matt 25:23)

Every law is meant to be taken literally. Hence, Sharia is so fearful, & even the 10 Commandments came to us in a fearful fashion, handed down from a fiery mountain top, amidst dark clouds & thundering lightening peels. This signifies that God is holy & to be feared.

Mount Sinai represents the heart of Judaism, & Islam. It is the seat of all righteous Law, through conformity to God's holiness & righteousness. Religion based on conformity does not require love, but it demands obedience. Jesus' earthly ministry satisfied this requirement.

Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He suffered;

*Even today, this mountain of The Law symbolizes the division & separation of mankind; it divides by two brothers, two cultures, two factions, two religions...

*The Law exposes our divisions, our sin.
*The Law can not save us, or reconcile us.
*The Law only punishes lawbreakers, & we are all lawbreakers.
*The Law does not reward obedience.
*The Law only punishes disobedience.
*The Law executes only judgement & death.
*The Law declares all men unworthy, guilty.

Therefore these facts remain:
*The Law can not remove sin; therefore, we are still sinful, even after we obey the Law.
*The Law can only reveal sin; therefore, we are still guilty, even after we fulfill the Law.
*The Law distinguishes us from God, He is holy, we are not; therefore, we are still separated from God , even after we follow His ordinances.
*The Law can not change our nature; therefore, we are still hiding from God, even after we learn His ways.

...so that they are outwardly clean. How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God! For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance-now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. (Hbr 9:13,15)

*Yet there is hope for mankind: Jesus Christ, The Savior of the world...

Rom 5:8,12 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
...much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. (Rom 5:17)
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*So the question of the ages is, "Adam,' man,' where are you...?"

*Where are you in relation to God?
*He knows where you are, but sin has hid you from Him.
*Jesus is your "GPS" back to God.
*Only Jesus can remove the sin that separates you from God.
*Jesus destroyed the dividing partition, sin, that divides mankind from each other & God.
*Sin has divided nations, & separated relations, but God had a plan to restore that broken fellowship from the beginning.
*War, jihad, can not restore the unity that was lost by the first Adam.
*It took a greater Adam, Jesus, to lead us back to God without fear of judgement.
*Of course, Jesus feared God, but He was not afraid of God, & He is our example.

Hbr 10:22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.

*Jesus made the way for us to be reconciled to God, through the Cross.

1Cr 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Hbr 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

*Therefore we boldly declare, "Jesus is the way, the truth & the life," "...no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me." (Jhn 14:6)

*...And the question remains for you, "Where are you?" Are you still trusting in the Law? The Law can not save you, it can only condemn you, because it reveals the hidden nature of every man. It must be taken literally.

Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

*However, the punishment we deserve fell upon Jesus.
*These are Biblical idioms: He is our Sin Substitute, our Scapegoat, our Sacrifice Lamb.
*Jesus alone is worthy to forgive us our sin...

Mar 2:1, 10 And again he entered into Capernaum after [some] days; and it was noised that he was in the house. And straightway many were gathered together, insomuch that there was no room to receive [them], no, not so much as about the door: and he preached the word unto them. And they come unto him, bringing one sick of the palsy, which was borne of four. And when they could not come nigh unto him for the press, they uncovered the roof where he was: and when they had broken [it] up, they let down the bed wherein the sick of the palsy lay. When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this [man] thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts? Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, [Thy] sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

*Of course, Jesus had anger, but anger did not have Jesus. He used this emotion, to communicate God's disdain for sin & hypocrisy. "Be ye angry, and sin not." (Eph 4:26)

Jhn 2:14, 15 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when He had made a scourge of small cords, He drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

*Jesus' passion for His Father seemed like indifference toward man, even for His mother. This is not the case.

Jhn 19:25,28 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the [wife] of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own [home].

Jhn 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto Him, They have no wine. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? Mine hour is not yet come.

Even the Jinn recognized Jesus' authority:
Mar 1:24 Saying, Let [us] alone; what have we to do with Thee, Thou Jesus of Nazareth? Art Thou come to destroy us? I know thee who Thou art, the Holy One of God.

Everyone, who is honest in his appraisal, knows that the heart of Jesus is love. These are His words:
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

CONCLUSION:

Jhn 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
1Th 2:8 We loved you so much that we were delighted to share with you not only the gospel of God but our lives as well, because you had become so dear to us.
1Jo 4:11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

*Whenever you need us, we will do our best to be there, & answer your questions, but if we fail, or if we are unfaithful, let it be known that God can not fail, because He is love, & He is faithful.

Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?
Rom 8:39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

*Let God be true, and every man a liar...

Romans 3:1, 31
What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision?
Much in every way! First of all, they have been entrusted with the very words of God.
What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God's faithfulness?
Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge." [fn]
But if our unrighteousness brings out God's righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.)
Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world?
Someone might argue, "If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?"
Why not say-as we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say-"Let us do evil that good may result"? Their condemnation is deserved.
What shall we conclude then? Are we any better? Not at all! We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin.
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;
there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God.
All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one." "Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit." "The poison of vipers is on their lips."
"Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."
"Their feet are swift to shed blood;
ruin and misery mark their ways,
and the way of peace they do not know."
"There is no fear of God before their eyes."
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin.
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, [fn] through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished-
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith.
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.
Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too,
since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith.
Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.


Thank you,


Johndeweb

Sharia Law

RE: "in Islam the prayer of the oppressed, be it that they are Muslim or not, goes directly to God."

*As you treat the Jews so you will be treated. Evil is not good, no matter how self righteous it looks or sounds. Bless the Jews & you will be blessed. They don't need your Sharia, nor do I, the 10 Commandments will do just fine, thank you.

Num 22:12 But God said to Balaam, "Do not go with them. You must not put a curse on those people, because they are blessed."

Num 23:8 How can I curse those whom God has not cursed? How can I denounce those whom the Lord has not denounced?

*Also, you just condemned your spiritual leader, Mohammed, on the grounds of adultery, because "black is black & white is white" according to Sharia

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
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Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Jesus came to set the captive free, not condemn them.

Jam 2:13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!

Jhn 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
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*Sharia is not a substitute for the Law, & definitely not a compliment to the Grace of God either.

*Fear God not man, but Sharia makes you fear man not God. Sharia may give you the results you want but not the results God wants. God could have destroyed mankind if he wanted, & that is exactly what Sharia gives man the license to do. Why...

Rom 4:5 However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

Luk 6:35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

*Sharia can't touch this because the motivation is born of the heart, not the letter.

*Faith in Jesus changes everything, even the desire for sin. You can change your habits thru fear but only God can change your desire thru love, grace, faith, by the power of the blood of Jesus.

Pro 19:2 It is not good to have zeal without knowledge

CONCLUSION:

*Only One was born of a virgin, Eve's son, Jesus the Messiah, "Eve's seed..."

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

COMMENT: Woman don't have seed, right?! It's God's Seed, it's God's Son, it's YOUR PROBLEM!

Did Moses Preach Jesus?

RE: but maybe you believe that Moses is going to hell because he didn't accept Jesus as his personal savior because he didn't know about the message of Jesus to come in the future... it would be interesting to hear your response to that.

You know He exists, but you have yet to find Him.

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Luke 24:44 And He said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.

John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found Him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

Comment: You know He exists, but you have yet to find Him. The greatest contribution you can give your fellow Filipinos is the gift of the knowledge of Jesus Christ.

Mat 13:13 This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
Verse 15: For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'
Verse 17: For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
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When I hear you speak of Mohammed I hear such empathy & understanding, but when I hear you talk about Chritians, especially Israeli-loving, American Christians, I hear such judgement & condemnation. You exercise a double standard in intrepreting the Law, but why am I not surprised by this?

Luke 18: 9,14 And He spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men [are], extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
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2Cr 3:1,10 (New Living Translation) Are we beginning again to tell you how good we are? Some people need to bring letters of recommendation with them or ask you to write letters of recommendation for them. But the only letter of recommendation we need is you yourselves! Your lives are a letter written in our [fn] hearts, and everyone can read it and recognize our good work among you. Clearly, you are a letter from Christ prepared by us. It is written not with pen and ink, but with the Spirit of the living God. It is carved not on stone, but on human hearts. We are confident of all this because of our great trust in God through Christ. It is not that we think we can do anything of lasting value by ourselves. Our only power and success come from God. He is the one who has enabled us to represent his new covenant. This is a covenant, not of written laws, but of the Spirit. The old way ends in death; in the new way, the Holy Spirit gives life. That old system of law etched in stone led to death, yet it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses' face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away. Shouldn't we expect far greater glory when the Holy Spirit is giving life? If the old covenant, which brings condemnation, was glorious, how much more glorious is the new covenant, which makes us right with God! In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new covenant.

2 Cr 3:6b (KJV) ...for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
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Mohammed or Jesus? The choice is simple, it is a matter of death or life, darkness or light, falsehood or truth.

Luk 6:40,42 A student is not greater than the teacher. But the student who works hard will become like the teacher. "And why worry about a speck in your friend's eye [fn] when you have a log in your own? How can you think of saying, `Friend, let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,' when you can't see past the log in your own eye? Hypocrite! First get rid of the log from your own eye; then perhaps you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend's eye.

Answer this question, who would you rather be like, Mohammed or Jesus? The choice is simple; it is a matter of death or life, darkness or light, falsehood or truth.

"The Islamic Golden Age,"

With all due respect, it appears your mission is to return civilization to the 7Th to 13Th centuries, no matter how preposterous it sounds to the rest of us. That is like telling a man who drives a car he must now ride a camel instead, or a man who speaks English he must now speak Arabic, or a country with a democratic constitution you must now follow Sharia,(Arabic: '‎شريعة Šarīʿah,) Islamic religious law.

The center of my world can't be reached with feet, hands, & lips

We say it this way, "you can't force a circle into a square.' In a democracy we make allowances for "the circle" & "the square." In Islamic culture either "the circle" becomes "a square," or it is persecuted & rejected for remaining "a circle." We also say, "you can't place God in a box," but Islamic pilgrims circle the Kaaba as part of the Tawaf ritual of the Hajj, pilgrimage, circling the "big box" 7 times while trying to kiss it. Understand, the center of your world is not the center of my world, & it will never be the center. The center of your world is a physical place called Mecca, while the center of my world can not be reached with human feet, hands or lips!
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John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
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CONCLUSION:

1Ti 3:2 A bishop, (overseer, elder,) then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Who Is Holy?

RE: The Debate Continues

According to your statistics am I to deduce....

Only Christians sin, but Muslims keep score. Is that how you see it? So how do you intend to spread this message of condemnation in the West, by the sword?

Repent does not mean, "sweep your sins under the Persian Rug," it means, "turn around, & do the opposite."

Do you ever find it necessary to turn around, or do you always stubbornly head in the wrong direction?

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This quote appears in the post I sent you:

"David repented of polygamy.

God gave Adam ONE wife.

Mohammed could not even keep the law of his own Quran and married 12 wives."


YOU can not make you holy;

Sharia (Arabic: '‎شريعة Šarīʿah) can not make you holy;

The burka,(Arabic: برقع‎ burqu') can not make woman holy;

The Seven Pillars (Ismaili) can not make you holy:

Walāyah - Guardianship
Ṭahārah - Purity & cleanliness
Ṣalāt - Prayers
Zakāh - Purifying religious dues
Ṣawm - Fasting during Ramadan
Hajj - Pilgrimage to Mecca
Jihad - Struggle

Taharah can not make you holy, either Wudu (Arabic: الوضوء al-wuḍū') or Ghusl, partial or full body washing.


Me: Who was he protecting, 12 woman, or his own lust? Your answer will determine my confidence in you.

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1Cr 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; And ye are Christ's; and Christ [is] God's.

2Cr 3:18 But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit.strong>

Love is Surrender

If fear of punishment was the answer then the world has no shortage of it. Instead, what people really need is a heart transplant... God's heart for ours!

When love is your course you will not pursue sin. God is love, & love means no harm to his neighbor. Surrender is a choice, & so marriage is the perfect analogy. A woman leaves her family to start a new one. She leaves behind her identity for the sake of her husband, for the sake of love.

Jesus left Heaven for the sake of love. God so loved the world that He gave His only, unique Son. Giving is the foundation of Heaven, which is a surrender based on love, & a sacrifice comprised of free will.

People can be forced to do anything, but love & loyalty are a gift of the will, the heart. Animals can be trained to do anything, but God takes delight in our willingness, & He sets the example thru His Son, Jesus.


Hope this helps

John

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Positron & friends: Perhaps we should not abandon this group of inquisitive minds? I may have spoken rashly about ending this debate. How else will our brothers in humanity come to saving faith unless they hear the Gospel? Let me know your feelings about this, & thanks to everyone for praying & sharing. I think I speak for all the Christians when I say our hearts yearn for your salvation.

Act 19:9,11 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus. And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks. And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:



Johndeweb

INVENTION

INVENTION: creation of something in the mind

RE: ISLAM


Sounds like your trying to take someone hostage..."surrender or else!"


"Surrender" in the Christian context is an act of love, freewill.


My challnge to you: Talk to Jesus about Jesus!

IS JESUS GOD?

Re: FINAL CONCLUSION OF THE DEBATE: IS JESUS GOD?

N.aliakbar & A.D. "got" to the diner table late, but now dessert is over. I hope they understand! Just like the call of the Adhan, (announcement) for salat (prayer), time waits for no man...although we Christians pray always, & it is the only way to keep your thoughts pure...

Luk 18:1 And he spake a parable unto them [to this end], that men ought ALWAYS to pray, and not to faint;
Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray ALWAYS, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray ALWAYS for you, that our God would count you worthy of [this] calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of [his] goodness, and the work of faith with power:
Act 6:4 But we will give ourselves CONTINUALLY to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.
Act 12:5 Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made WITHOUT CEASING of the church unto God for him.
Eph 6:18 Praying ALWAYS with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Phl 1:4 ALWAYS in prayer, and watch in the same with thanksgiving;
1Pe 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and WATCH unto prayer.
Mat 24:42 "Therefore KEEP WATCH, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.
Mat 26:41 "WATCH & PRAY so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak."
Luk 12:38 It will be GOOD for those servants whose master finds them READY, even if he comes in the SECOND OR THIERD WATCH of the night.
Luk 21:36 Be ALWAYS on the WATCH, AND PRAY that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."
Besides, Positron's conclusions cover all outstanding inquiries. Now you have the Christian point of view, and not from an IMAM. We all have much to mull over, even the CHRISTIANS. A.D. & N.aliakbar, unfortunately, you will have to scrub thru the notes for what you missed. If you don't have them request it from your friend Dazed & Confused. After all, we are not required to be redundant, & anyway, that would be a sign of weakness. I reiterate, please avail yourselves of POSITRON'S SPLENDID VIDEOS, unmalicious & informative, or google the web for the information you seek. I encourage you to do so, and God (AMDG) promises...

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

Thanks to Gokilex for inviting us to this debate. Thanks also for the new Christian friends, your comments & prayers. Let's stay in touch. I feel at peace!

These are my finally thoughts, not a rebuttal, but an invitation. I would be remiss not to extend this offer. By the way, I took the liberty to insert "Born Again Christian," of which I am, in the following statement by one of your peers. In doing so I wanted to clarify our point of view, not from a Western, European, Anglo Saxon perspective, but yours:


"Born Again Christians and Kafir are both human beings; both are slaves of God. But one human being becomes superior for the reason that he recognizes his Master, obeys His orders and fears the consequences of disobeying Him, while the other human being falls from the high rank because he does not recognize his Master and does not carry out His orders. This is why God is pleased with Born Again Christians and displeased with unbelievers. He promises reward of Heaven to Born Again Christians and warns unbelievers that they will be consigned to Hell."


Here ye, here ye, this final ADHAN:

All Muslims, & other inquisitive minds, may the Lord have mercy on your souls, please follow these instructions:

The Roman Road to Salvation, (CONTENDERMINISTRIES.ORG)

The ROMANS ROAD....is a pathway you can walk.

It is a group of Bible verses from the book of Romans in the New Testament. If you walk down this road you will end up understanding how to be saved.

Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

We all have sin in our hearts. We all were born with sin.

We were born under the power of sin's control.

- Admit that you are a sinner.



Romans 6:23a "...The wages of sin is death..."

Sin has an ending. It results in death. We all face physical death, which is a result of sin. But a worse death is spiritual death that alienates us from God, and will last for all eternity. The Bible teaches that there is a place called the Lake of Fire where lost people will be in torment forever. It is the place where people who are spiritually dead will remain.

- Understand that you deserve death for your sin.



Romans 6:23b "...But the gift of God is eternal

life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Salvation is a free gift from God to you! You can't

earn this gift, but you must reach out and receive it.

- Ask God to forgive you and save you.



Romans 5:8, "God demonstrates His own love for us, in

that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us!"

When Jesus died on the cross He paid sin's penalty. He paid the price for all sin, and when He took all the sins of the world on Himself on the cross, He bought us out of slavery to sin and death! The only condition is that we believe in Him and what He has done for us, understanding that we are now joined with Him, and that He is our life. He did all this because He loved us and gave Himself for us!

- Give your life to God... His love poured out in Jesus on the cross is your only hope to have forgiveness and change. His love bought you out of being a slave to sin. His love is what saves you -- not religion, or church membership. God loves you!



Romans 10:13 "Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved!"

- Call out to God in the name of Jesus!



Romans 10:9,10 "...If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."

- If you know that God is knocking on your heart's door,

ask Him to come into your heart.



Jesus said,

Revelation 3:20a "Behold I stand at the door and knock, if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him..."

- Is Jesus knocking on your heart's door?



Believe in Him.

Ask Him to come in to your heart by faith,

and ask Him to reveal Himself to you.

Open the Bible to the Gospel of John and read what God says about Jesus,

about you, and about being born again.



God will help you. He loves you.



You need to look for a local church where

God's word is preached. The Bible says that we are to desire

God's word like a newborn baby desires mother's milk.

Aren't you hungry to know the truth?



Water baptism is one of the ways you first show that

you have been joined to Jesus. This is an action, and actions will not save you. However, it is an act of obedience and a symbol of commitment.

The symbolism is this:

When you go down in the water you show that

You have been crucified and buried with Him,



And when you come up out of the water you show that

you have been raised to walk with Him in newness of life.

(See Romans chapter 6)



You have been born again.

(See John chapter 3)



Your body has become God's temple.

Your heart is where He lives.



Forgiveness is yours in Jesus.

And you belong to Him.



You were sin's slave.

But now...



You are a child of GOD!



John 1:12

"As many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name!"

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Johndeweb

Isa 49:8 This is what the Lord says: "In the time of my favor I will answer you, and in the day of salvation I will help you; I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people, to restore the land and to reassign its desolate inheritances,

2Cr 6:2 For he says, "In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you." I tell you, now is the time of God's favor, now is the day of salvation.