There are no atheist toddlers! You have to be taught to "unbelieve."
Luke 18:17 I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.
Attributes of a child: Love, faith, purity
Attributes of the childish: unforgiveness, stubbornness, rudeness, self-centeredness, pride, complicity
There are "fork-in-the-road moments" im our lives. Go back to the source of your bitterness & fix it. Then belief & blessing can flow again, as in your youth!
Mar 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than...
Who then can be saved? Mark 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men [it is] impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
Matthew 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
There are no atheists in Hell.
Are you a 1st degree atheist or a 3rd degree atheist?!
Entropy: A law that evolved from sin
Evolution: an idea that evolves from sin
Pastor Lester Roloff 1914 - 1982
"The world's greatest need is preaching preachers. The Gospel is our emancipation proclamation: let's take it to the slaves of sin."
Rev 1:18 I [am] he that lives, & was dead; and, I am alive for evermore, Amen; & have the keys of hell & death.
Jhn 1:12 As many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name:
Jesus took those "keys" from Satan on his own turf. Keys symbolize authority. Satan was stripped of his authority, because the Lamb of God, though a scapegoat for mankind, could not be legally bound by sin, because He was a sinless sacrifice.
Extrapolation: Outside+polish
John 11:32 Mary said, Lord, if You had been here, my brother had not died.
Jhn 11: 37, 39 Some said, Couldn't this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died? Jesus therefore again groaning in Himself came to the grave. It was a cave, & a stone lay upon it. Jesus said, TAKE AWAY THE STONE. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, said to Him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he has been [dead] 4 days. Jesus said, TAKE AWAY THE STONE...
John 9:11 He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.
John 5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep [market] a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
Live & Learn!
LP,
You can mess with me, mess with Todd, but don't mess with the Word of God. Not only is it your livilihood, Pastor =, I suppose, it is your life. Handle it with care. Let love guide you, & I am not suggesting sloppy agape. The world is watching, & so is the Lord! Yes, tell IT like it is, but tell it like IT is.
2Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with ALL LONGSUFFERING AND DOCTRINE.
Act 10:3,6 One day at about three in the afternoon he, [Cornelius,] had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, "Cornelius!" Cornelius stared at him in fear. "What is it, Lord?" he asked. The angel answered, "Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God. Now send men to Joppa to bring back a man named Simon who is called Peter. He is staying with Simon the tanner, whose house is by the sea."
Understand the meaning!
LocalPastor: was anyone kicked?
Mar 7:33 And HE TOOK HIM ASIDE from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue;
Mar 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
What we do in public or private can make all the difference
If God said spit I'd spit, wouldn't you Pastor?
LocalPastor: if Todd said kick, would you? (because God did not tell Todd to kick and the man was not healed).
I'll answer you if you answer me!
Mar 7:33 And HE TOOK HIM ASIDE from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue;
Mar 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
What we do in public or private can make all the difference, but if God said spit I'd spit too, wouldn't you Pastor?
If I am to be your friend I will have to be honest with you. I don't expect you to be perfect or follow my path just yet, but we must maintain mutual respect. I am willing to forgive, but my convictions remain stalwart. I want you to discover the truth, & there is only one truth. For now you have your opinion about that, & so do I. I will try to make my case without being melodramatic. I have your interests in mind.
Also, I love Israel. I am commanded to do so. I follow the path of Isaac where my faith is concerned. God preserved Yišmāʿêl because of Hagar's prayer & His compassion. From my experience His Plan B is as awesome as His Plan A if we receive it humbly & obediently. Prophecy foretells Israel will face severe tribulation, tough times, but through it, every nation will behold the glory of God. I mean, Israel is a "fishhook" to the nations, executing God's master plan. As in the days of Moses, God will glorify Himself, through a mighty deliverance of Israel. Don't plan on moving to Damascus anytime soon.
Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from [being] a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
If anyone doubts God's allegiance to Israel it won't be long before this doubt is removed. Afterward, we must all repent. You see, the Jews didn't recognize Jesus either. So they are not better, but they are chosen. They are servants of God, but we are sons of God, sons through adoption. Meanwhile, the first sons, who are now servants, will also return to their Messiah. This does not exclude Arabs, Persians, Asians, Russians, etc.. Jesus CAME to redeem the world to Himself. Simple, child-like faith, not a set of rigorous daily devotions, pleases God. I know because I too was trained in this rigorous fashion & found no life, no joy, & no fulfillment. We are already slaves to sin, so God never meant us to be twice slaves...to religion & sin. We are slaves to God, but love slaves. We are willing to serve Him without bars, chains, punishment, incentives, laws that cauterize free will but not the sin nature.
Isa 33:20 Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle [that] shall not be taken down; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed, neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken.
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RE: ARE CATHOLICS CHRISTIANS?
God judges the heart. If you want to know how God deals with an entire group of believers read Jesus' words to the seven churches in Revelation. It begins like this: Rev 1:11 "Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea."
All doctrinal issues aren't necessarily "deal breakers." "YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN," walking faithfully & lovingly in the light of revealed knowledge. Gladly, the Nicene Creed espouses salvation, but it's often believed yet ignored, rendered powerless by neglect. As a former Catholic myself, had I not been challenged by another former Catholic to revisit my faith, I would have perished in apostasy. This is sobering since so many Catholics are uncertain of their eternal destiny. Consider salvation a sacrament, of primary importance, because you can't wash sin with water. Only the blood of Jesus cleanses sin, thru faith. Once my spirit is cleansed then my soul, that is, my mind, will & emotions, is ready for a lifelong transformation. Baptism signifies I am wholly dedicated to this process, "dead to the world, alive to Christ." Notice that babies aren't baptized at the Jordan River in Jesus' Ministry, or John the Baptist's.
RE: Cosmic Blast http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/090107-aas-loud-cosmic-noise.html
"The signal is measured to be 6X brighter than the combined emission of all known radio sources in the universe... a mystery!
Pro 25:2,3 [It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
The heaven for height, the earth for depth, the heart of kings [is] UNSEARCHABLE.
Isa 7:11 Ask for a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.
Isa 40:12 Who hath MEASURED the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?
Act 17:25,28 And He is not served by human hands, as if He needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and He determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. God did this so that men would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. For in Him we live and move and have our being
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OZ,
5:10/ 5:30
"Biblical Creation Science is pollution of Science Education"
You confuse time & space in your scenario because you don't understand the distinction between time & space. 6000 years on a Rolex watch is 6000 years, but 6000 years on a space-time continuum is exactly what you described, & there still is God at the beginning of it.
So why do you try so hard to hide God when He is in plain sight. That is like trying to cover a pacaderm with a handkerchief.
Think again!
I am merely showing you that the Bible was written for you, anticipating your need for proof. Jesus was a real person & He had real followers & real miracles. How else can you explain how a carpenter could redefine our timeline in just three years of public ministry that ended in an ignominious death. Not to mention that his board of directors, all 12, denied Him upon His departure?
Only thinkers need apply!
Jhn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things & you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
Jhn 8:40 You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.
Jhn 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing...
Mat 13:13 This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
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Hypothesis - A tentative proposal that aims to solve a problem or explain...The hypothesis must be stated in testable form.
Malachi 3:10 Prove me right now, says the LORD of hosts...
Rev 1:19 Write the things which you have seen,
Psa 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD [is] good
Jhn 8:55 & if I should say, I know Him not, I shall be a liar like you: but I know Him,
Matt 8:4 Then Jesus said to him, "See that you don't tell anyone. But go, show yourself to the priests.
I am not arguing, I am interpreting your text. Clarify! You assume a person can have faith in "anything." That isn't scientific, spiritual, or philosophical. It's just Oz!
Actually I am tripping on your "chip," the one that fell from your shoulder. Why are you so skeptical? Also, I didn't compliment you. Your mission is not obvious, but you do make interesting videos with some degree of quality.
Revealed? There is your school of opinion, but then there are scientists. :-(
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rationalmuscle questions "The god of Earth, Satan, orchestrated the crucifixion."
We are both right! God ordained the crucifixion but Satan orchestrated it. The purpose of the Cross is to demonstrate God's utter contempt for sin. Judas became Satan's pawn when he betrayed Jesus, but Satan was the actual pawn. Satan would have avoided tempting Judas had he known the outcome... Christ's Resurrection, the forfeiture of the Keys of Death, Hell & The Grave, & Satan's absolute defeat!
oz: I'm not following your argument here. I am not judging anyone. I'm just pointing out that religious faith and scientific assumption are two very different things.
"NOTHING learned that isn't revealed!" You mean revealed by God? Huh? Scientific theory was not revealed by God. It was "revealed" by people applying the scientific method.
OZ,
You contradict yourself with circular reasoning.
1. "Faith involves assumption" No, hypothesis involves assumption! No, faith involvles assumption!
Who is judging? Assuming you assume I am assuming, you must assume I know you are...judging.
2. Humility: NOTHING learned that isn't revealed!
3. There are scientists & those who want to be. If only logic was his guide we would still be in the Dark Ages.
Are you ready to be considered crazy till you are proven sane?
Stick with the definition & you will see that faith is supported by fact only, not unlike the process of scientific discovery. There is only one set of facts, not a plethora. Truth is not subjective. If you prostitute truth with such reasoning than you're science is flawed as well.
I don't follow quack religion any more than you follow quack science. For one who is so grounded in the evidence, you should know that "rational" is not the issue. Besides, the end of research is truth!
Hebrews 11:1,3 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen.For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
PS Even God used faith to frame the world, just like you would use nails to frame a building! We are created in His image to use faith similarily! Thus, DISCOVERY!
Oz: "faith is the ... EVIDENCE of things not seen."
Since a person can have "faith" in any concept (FSM, Pink Unicorn) it can be taken as evidence of anything (UFOs, Bigfoot, Elvis lives). As such it has no rational value. Faith is a conclusion unsupported by evidence (else it wouldn't be faith). Ask a fundie what evidence would cause them to give up their faith and they'll answer "none."
Closing Comment:
"To be or not to be... " & you are still confused which to choose? The Bible provides all the answers no other book provides; where I came from, why I am here, & where I am going! Watch "Lord of the Rings" again! Also, The Matrix. These movies are parables like Jesus told, but they reveal truth, which is not hearsay, myth, or conjecture.
I may not be as smart as you, but I am not as dumb as you either.
There is no sin in asking questions. That is how children learn. Scientists are merely grown up children! Don't be so proud of yourself. Everyone is curious, but not everyone is right!
The more you know the less you know!
You say, "Hypothesis doesn't involve faith..."
I say you haven't thought it through. You are only mimicking some one else's idea.
If you really understood faith you would know that evidence is the root of faith. The scientific process involves getting to the root of the facts. You have to believe it is worth digging to find the root. I like gardens. Look for my video and you'll know why.
Hypothesis involves faith... you first pose or approach a question. Then, you propose... etc.
If you analyze the grammatical,& poetic structure of the Bible you would easily deduce that morons, & idiots could not have written the Bible.
Did you call your parents "retards" when you discovered there wasn't a Santa Claus? You haven't "discovered" there isn't a Jesus, so don't be so cocky!
Also, be careful not to insult people with special needs, ...and special hearts. If you had their heart you wouldn't insult them.
middlekk: Morons and idiots didn't write the bible.
Morons and idiots continue believe in the literal telling of stories that were OBVIOUSLY never meant to be taken as such.
The ToB story is OBVIOUSLY a "just so" myth. Who doesn't know this? Only someone without the intellectual capacity to tell the difference between history and fairy story.
Just because it doesn't start with "once upon a time" that doesn't make it real.
fallencrescent: Hypothesis doesn't involve faith... you first pose or approach a question. Then, you propose a possible explanation or hypothesis that might satisfy the question. Next, you look for evidence to support or refute this hypothesis. Then, either adjust the hypothesis or throw it out if evidence does not support the original testable potential explanation. The scientific process never requires you to have faith in anything just curiosity, ideas, and a method of testing these ideas.
OK! genius. Let's quote your book. Oh, you haven't written one! But if you did, what would be the first chapter? Perhaps, "How Babel Made ME a Moron, Retard & An Idiot.."
As for me, I know the Bible has only helped me in life. Why is Babel not plausible to you? I think your brain is getting in the way of your heart.
I'll guess your age: Judging from the 1ST insult, "moron," you're @ 40 yrs old; the 2ND, "idiot;" 30; 3RD, "retards," 20, & the 4TH insult, "talking snakes," 10.
middlekk: I can quote the Book of the Dead, the Koran, the Labors of Hercules and a wide range of other mythological accounts of mankind.
Doesn't make them any more real than your book of myths.
Emotional maturity doesn't appear to be your strong suit. I guess that's to be expected given your demonstrated lack of intellectual rigor.
rationalmuscle: (Jhndeweb, I must admit you've done a nice job of (nothing personal) fancy footwork to make the stories mesh. Just a few flaws...
// The god of Earth, Satan, orchestrated the crucifixion //
This is contrary to the teachings of both Jesus and Paul. Paul clearly says that this was planned from the beginning by God.
// Ebola virus is "dark art" of a satanic nature. //
Show me one passage where Satan "creates". // No sickness there! // Yet rebellion (see Lucifer)?
3. Was a joke. ; )
Genesis 11:7 Come, LET US go down & confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
VERSE 8: So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, & they stopped building the city.
VERSE 9: That is why it was called Babel -because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
Note:
VERSE 7: "LET US," reveals the Trinity. God is "One" in unity, as a husband & wife are one.
Gen 11:1; 4,6 Now the whole world had one language & a common speech.
Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves & not be scattered over the face of the whole earth." But the Lord came down to see the city & the tower that the men were building. The Lord said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.
middlekk: You're a moron.
Really. If you believe the whole Babel thing, you're a bigger idiot than those retards who believe in talking snakes.
God is an Artist, not a scientist. Science reveals His artistry. Hypothesis begins with faith, or a supposition called theory. Ironically, faith is required to explain the tangible & intangible.
Vibrations from the Big Bang exist on a space-time continuum, pointing to the Creator, as a fingerprint or signature. He is the One Who instigated the first "bang," saying, "Let there be light." Words were the substance He used to create that light, & faith gave those words substance.
Any ?'s (-:
rationalmuscle: just a few:
1. Which god? There are more than a few floating about the books of days gone by you know...
2. Do you claim that the ebola virus is 'art'? If so, please explain.
3. If God spoke, which language did he speak? Just curious as I prefer French.
Trent!
1. There are two Gods, The God of Heaven, & the god of Earth. The god of Earth, Satan, orchestrated the crucifixion, but the God of Heaven, the Resurrection. Rising from the dead resolves "which god!"
2. Ebola virus is "dark art" of a satanic nature. "Thy will be done ON EARTH as it is IN HEAVEN," was Jesus' prayer. No sickness there! Capisce?
3. God speaks the language of the spirit. Jhn 4:24 "God is spirit, & His worshipers must worship in spirit & in truth."
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