GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER:
Agricultural scientist. Born of slave parents:
He developed more than 300 products from the peanut (including Peanut Butter), 175 from the sweet potato, and 60 from the pecan. He also invented crop rotation. In 1927, he invented a process for producing paints and stains from soybeans.
Although he did hold 3 patents, Carver never patented most of the many discoveries he made while at Tuskegee, saying "God gave them to me, how can I sell them to someone else?"
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Imagine moving at the speed of thought, knowing the answer to every question instantly, never forgetting a name, & no miscommunication. How nice to eat or rest for pleasure ,& not necessity. This does not compare to the "70 jealous virgin" scenario of whoremonging imposters. Read Revelation again.
Believers have a grounded approach to their faith just like scientists. If what we say about God can not be backed by scriptural proof, then we are obliged to say "in my opinion."
Pachuco: Yes, and here's the critical difference: if a scientist's opinion is peer reviewed and found to be incorrect beyond a reasonable doubt, then he or she will concede that they are incorrect, or at least acknowledge other possibilities and take it back to research. A christian, on the other hand, will hold on to his opinion for dear life, like a security blanket, and consider no other opinion, evidence or no.
A scientist will concede and reconsider, a christian will only ever "agree to disagree."
Now, now! Pachuco,
If my name ended with a "v" you would say, "what a genius." Instead, you are displaying the very logic that has hung around since the beginning of time, excuse me, the beginning of evolution. You slight the conversation to make yourself sound enlightened. Ego, ego, ego!
If I was going the wrong way I hope my friends would say so. Would I listen? Would you? Are you my friend? Have I ever met you? So, why lump me into your cloistered mind to suit your conscience then?
If you're truly scientific, get out of the grandstands & onto the field.
Suggestion Pachuco,
Relieve someone of their suffering. First, you need an idea. May I humbly suggest you peruse the Bible, if only to find a pathway for your imagination to pursue.
Unless you imagine it, you can never discover it. Try reading the Book of Revelation for ideas. Meanwhile, I'll see you in "the unseen," where the last frontier of discovery awaits, unless you don't BELIEVE it's there.
There are no atheist toddlers! You have to be taught to "unbelieve."
Luke 18:17 I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.
Attributes of a child: Love, faith, purity
Attributes of the childish: unforgiveness, stubbornness, rudeness, self-centeredness, pride, complicity
There are "fork-in-the-road moments" im our lives. Go back to the source of your bitterness & fix it. Then belief & blessing can flow again, as in your youth!
Mar 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than...
Who then can be saved? Mark 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men [it is] impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
Matthew 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
There are no atheists in Hell.
Are you a 1st degree atheist or a 3rd degree atheist?!
Entropy: A law that evolved from sin
Evolution: an idea that evolves from sin
Pastor Lester Roloff 1914 - 1982
"The world's greatest need is preaching preachers. The Gospel is our emancipation proclamation: let's take it to the slaves of sin."
Rev 1:18 I [am] he that lives, & was dead; and, I am alive for evermore, Amen; & have the keys of hell & death.
Jhn 1:12 As many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name:
Jesus took those "keys" from Satan on his own turf. Keys symbolize authority. Satan was stripped of his authority, because the Lamb of God, though a scapegoat for mankind, could not be legally bound by sin, because He was a sinless sacrifice.
Extrapolation: Outside+polish
John 11:32 Mary said, Lord, if You had been here, my brother had not died.
Jhn 11: 37, 39 Some said, Couldn't this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died? Jesus therefore again groaning in Himself came to the grave. It was a cave, & a stone lay upon it. Jesus said, TAKE AWAY THE STONE. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, said to Him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he has been [dead] 4 days. Jesus said, TAKE AWAY THE STONE...
John 9:11 He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.
John 5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep [market] a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
Live & Learn!
LP,
You can mess with me, mess with Todd, but don't mess with the Word of God. Not only is it your livilihood, Pastor =, I suppose, it is your life. Handle it with care. Let love guide you, & I am not suggesting sloppy agape. The world is watching, & so is the Lord! Yes, tell IT like it is, but tell it like IT is.
2Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with ALL LONGSUFFERING AND DOCTRINE.
Act 10:3,6 One day at about three in the afternoon he, [Cornelius,] had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, "Cornelius!" Cornelius stared at him in fear. "What is it, Lord?" he asked. The angel answered, "Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God. Now send men to Joppa to bring back a man named Simon who is called Peter. He is staying with Simon the tanner, whose house is by the sea."
Understand the meaning!
LocalPastor: was anyone kicked?
Mar 7:33 And HE TOOK HIM ASIDE from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue;
Mar 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
What we do in public or private can make all the difference
If God said spit I'd spit, wouldn't you Pastor?
LocalPastor: if Todd said kick, would you? (because God did not tell Todd to kick and the man was not healed).
I'll answer you if you answer me!
Mar 7:33 And HE TOOK HIM ASIDE from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue;
Mar 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
What we do in public or private can make all the difference, but if God said spit I'd spit too, wouldn't you Pastor?
If I am to be your friend I will have to be honest with you. I don't expect you to be perfect or follow my path just yet, but we must maintain mutual respect. I am willing to forgive, but my convictions remain stalwart. I want you to discover the truth, & there is only one truth. For now you have your opinion about that, & so do I. I will try to make my case without being melodramatic. I have your interests in mind.
Also, I love Israel. I am commanded to do so. I follow the path of Isaac where my faith is concerned. God preserved Yišmāʿêl because of Hagar's prayer & His compassion. From my experience His Plan B is as awesome as His Plan A if we receive it humbly & obediently. Prophecy foretells Israel will face severe tribulation, tough times, but through it, every nation will behold the glory of God. I mean, Israel is a "fishhook" to the nations, executing God's master plan. As in the days of Moses, God will glorify Himself, through a mighty deliverance of Israel. Don't plan on moving to Damascus anytime soon.
Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from [being] a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
If anyone doubts God's allegiance to Israel it won't be long before this doubt is removed. Afterward, we must all repent. You see, the Jews didn't recognize Jesus either. So they are not better, but they are chosen. They are servants of God, but we are sons of God, sons through adoption. Meanwhile, the first sons, who are now servants, will also return to their Messiah. This does not exclude Arabs, Persians, Asians, Russians, etc.. Jesus CAME to redeem the world to Himself. Simple, child-like faith, not a set of rigorous daily devotions, pleases God. I know because I too was trained in this rigorous fashion & found no life, no joy, & no fulfillment. We are already slaves to sin, so God never meant us to be twice slaves...to religion & sin. We are slaves to God, but love slaves. We are willing to serve Him without bars, chains, punishment, incentives, laws that cauterize free will but not the sin nature.
Isa 33:20 Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle [that] shall not be taken down; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed, neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken.
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RE: ARE CATHOLICS CHRISTIANS?
God judges the heart. If you want to know how God deals with an entire group of believers read Jesus' words to the seven churches in Revelation. It begins like this: Rev 1:11 "Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea."
All doctrinal issues aren't necessarily "deal breakers." "YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN," walking faithfully & lovingly in the light of revealed knowledge. Gladly, the Nicene Creed espouses salvation, but it's often believed yet ignored, rendered powerless by neglect. As a former Catholic myself, had I not been challenged by another former Catholic to revisit my faith, I would have perished in apostasy. This is sobering since so many Catholics are uncertain of their eternal destiny. Consider salvation a sacrament, of primary importance, because you can't wash sin with water. Only the blood of Jesus cleanses sin, thru faith. Once my spirit is cleansed then my soul, that is, my mind, will & emotions, is ready for a lifelong transformation. Baptism signifies I am wholly dedicated to this process, "dead to the world, alive to Christ." Notice that babies aren't baptized at the Jordan River in Jesus' Ministry, or John the Baptist's.
RE: Cosmic Blast http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/090107-aas-loud-cosmic-noise.html
"The signal is measured to be 6X brighter than the combined emission of all known radio sources in the universe... a mystery!
Pro 25:2,3 [It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
The heaven for height, the earth for depth, the heart of kings [is] UNSEARCHABLE.
Isa 7:11 Ask for a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.
Isa 40:12 Who hath MEASURED the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?
Act 17:25,28 And He is not served by human hands, as if He needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and He determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. God did this so that men would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. For in Him we live and move and have our being
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OZ,
5:10/ 5:30
"Biblical Creation Science is pollution of Science Education"
You confuse time & space in your scenario because you don't understand the distinction between time & space. 6000 years on a Rolex watch is 6000 years, but 6000 years on a space-time continuum is exactly what you described, & there still is God at the beginning of it.
So why do you try so hard to hide God when He is in plain sight. That is like trying to cover a pacaderm with a handkerchief.
Think again!
I am merely showing you that the Bible was written for you, anticipating your need for proof. Jesus was a real person & He had real followers & real miracles. How else can you explain how a carpenter could redefine our timeline in just three years of public ministry that ended in an ignominious death. Not to mention that his board of directors, all 12, denied Him upon His departure?
Only thinkers need apply!
Jhn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things & you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
Jhn 8:40 You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.
Jhn 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing...
Mat 13:13 This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
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Hypothesis - A tentative proposal that aims to solve a problem or explain...The hypothesis must be stated in testable form.
Malachi 3:10 Prove me right now, says the LORD of hosts...
Rev 1:19 Write the things which you have seen,
Psa 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD [is] good
Jhn 8:55 & if I should say, I know Him not, I shall be a liar like you: but I know Him,
Matt 8:4 Then Jesus said to him, "See that you don't tell anyone. But go, show yourself to the priests.
I am not arguing, I am interpreting your text. Clarify! You assume a person can have faith in "anything." That isn't scientific, spiritual, or philosophical. It's just Oz!
Actually I am tripping on your "chip," the one that fell from your shoulder. Why are you so skeptical? Also, I didn't compliment you. Your mission is not obvious, but you do make interesting videos with some degree of quality.
Revealed? There is your school of opinion, but then there are scientists. :-(
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rationalmuscle questions "The god of Earth, Satan, orchestrated the crucifixion."
We are both right! God ordained the crucifixion but Satan orchestrated it. The purpose of the Cross is to demonstrate God's utter contempt for sin. Judas became Satan's pawn when he betrayed Jesus, but Satan was the actual pawn. Satan would have avoided tempting Judas had he known the outcome... Christ's Resurrection, the forfeiture of the Keys of Death, Hell & The Grave, & Satan's absolute defeat!
oz: I'm not following your argument here. I am not judging anyone. I'm just pointing out that religious faith and scientific assumption are two very different things.
"NOTHING learned that isn't revealed!" You mean revealed by God? Huh? Scientific theory was not revealed by God. It was "revealed" by people applying the scientific method.
OZ,
You contradict yourself with circular reasoning.
1. "Faith involves assumption" No, hypothesis involves assumption! No, faith involvles assumption!
Who is judging? Assuming you assume I am assuming, you must assume I know you are...judging.
2. Humility: NOTHING learned that isn't revealed!
3. There are scientists & those who want to be. If only logic was his guide we would still be in the Dark Ages.
Are you ready to be considered crazy till you are proven sane?
Stick with the definition & you will see that faith is supported by fact only, not unlike the process of scientific discovery. There is only one set of facts, not a plethora. Truth is not subjective. If you prostitute truth with such reasoning than you're science is flawed as well.
I don't follow quack religion any more than you follow quack science. For one who is so grounded in the evidence, you should know that "rational" is not the issue. Besides, the end of research is truth!
Hebrews 11:1,3 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen.For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
PS Even God used faith to frame the world, just like you would use nails to frame a building! We are created in His image to use faith similarily! Thus, DISCOVERY!
Oz: "faith is the ... EVIDENCE of things not seen."
Since a person can have "faith" in any concept (FSM, Pink Unicorn) it can be taken as evidence of anything (UFOs, Bigfoot, Elvis lives). As such it has no rational value. Faith is a conclusion unsupported by evidence (else it wouldn't be faith). Ask a fundie what evidence would cause them to give up their faith and they'll answer "none."
Closing Comment:
"To be or not to be... " & you are still confused which to choose? The Bible provides all the answers no other book provides; where I came from, why I am here, & where I am going! Watch "Lord of the Rings" again! Also, The Matrix. These movies are parables like Jesus told, but they reveal truth, which is not hearsay, myth, or conjecture.
I may not be as smart as you, but I am not as dumb as you either.
There is no sin in asking questions. That is how children learn. Scientists are merely grown up children! Don't be so proud of yourself. Everyone is curious, but not everyone is right!
The more you know the less you know!
You say, "Hypothesis doesn't involve faith..."
I say you haven't thought it through. You are only mimicking some one else's idea.
If you really understood faith you would know that evidence is the root of faith. The scientific process involves getting to the root of the facts. You have to believe it is worth digging to find the root. I like gardens. Look for my video and you'll know why.
Hypothesis involves faith... you first pose or approach a question. Then, you propose... etc.
If you analyze the grammatical,& poetic structure of the Bible you would easily deduce that morons, & idiots could not have written the Bible.
Did you call your parents "retards" when you discovered there wasn't a Santa Claus? You haven't "discovered" there isn't a Jesus, so don't be so cocky!
Also, be careful not to insult people with special needs, ...and special hearts. If you had their heart you wouldn't insult them.
middlekk: Morons and idiots didn't write the bible.
Morons and idiots continue believe in the literal telling of stories that were OBVIOUSLY never meant to be taken as such.
The ToB story is OBVIOUSLY a "just so" myth. Who doesn't know this? Only someone without the intellectual capacity to tell the difference between history and fairy story.
Just because it doesn't start with "once upon a time" that doesn't make it real.
fallencrescent: Hypothesis doesn't involve faith... you first pose or approach a question. Then, you propose a possible explanation or hypothesis that might satisfy the question. Next, you look for evidence to support or refute this hypothesis. Then, either adjust the hypothesis or throw it out if evidence does not support the original testable potential explanation. The scientific process never requires you to have faith in anything just curiosity, ideas, and a method of testing these ideas.
OK! genius. Let's quote your book. Oh, you haven't written one! But if you did, what would be the first chapter? Perhaps, "How Babel Made ME a Moron, Retard & An Idiot.."
As for me, I know the Bible has only helped me in life. Why is Babel not plausible to you? I think your brain is getting in the way of your heart.
I'll guess your age: Judging from the 1ST insult, "moron," you're @ 40 yrs old; the 2ND, "idiot;" 30; 3RD, "retards," 20, & the 4TH insult, "talking snakes," 10.
middlekk: I can quote the Book of the Dead, the Koran, the Labors of Hercules and a wide range of other mythological accounts of mankind.
Doesn't make them any more real than your book of myths.
Emotional maturity doesn't appear to be your strong suit. I guess that's to be expected given your demonstrated lack of intellectual rigor.
rationalmuscle: (Jhndeweb, I must admit you've done a nice job of (nothing personal) fancy footwork to make the stories mesh. Just a few flaws...
// The god of Earth, Satan, orchestrated the crucifixion //
This is contrary to the teachings of both Jesus and Paul. Paul clearly says that this was planned from the beginning by God.
// Ebola virus is "dark art" of a satanic nature. //
Show me one passage where Satan "creates". // No sickness there! // Yet rebellion (see Lucifer)?
3. Was a joke. ; )
Genesis 11:7 Come, LET US go down & confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
VERSE 8: So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, & they stopped building the city.
VERSE 9: That is why it was called Babel -because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
Note:
VERSE 7: "LET US," reveals the Trinity. God is "One" in unity, as a husband & wife are one.
Gen 11:1; 4,6 Now the whole world had one language & a common speech.
Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves & not be scattered over the face of the whole earth." But the Lord came down to see the city & the tower that the men were building. The Lord said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.
middlekk: You're a moron.
Really. If you believe the whole Babel thing, you're a bigger idiot than those retards who believe in talking snakes.
God is an Artist, not a scientist. Science reveals His artistry. Hypothesis begins with faith, or a supposition called theory. Ironically, faith is required to explain the tangible & intangible.
Vibrations from the Big Bang exist on a space-time continuum, pointing to the Creator, as a fingerprint or signature. He is the One Who instigated the first "bang," saying, "Let there be light." Words were the substance He used to create that light, & faith gave those words substance.
Any ?'s (-:
rationalmuscle: just a few:
1. Which god? There are more than a few floating about the books of days gone by you know...
2. Do you claim that the ebola virus is 'art'? If so, please explain.
3. If God spoke, which language did he speak? Just curious as I prefer French.
Trent!
1. There are two Gods, The God of Heaven, & the god of Earth. The god of Earth, Satan, orchestrated the crucifixion, but the God of Heaven, the Resurrection. Rising from the dead resolves "which god!"
2. Ebola virus is "dark art" of a satanic nature. "Thy will be done ON EARTH as it is IN HEAVEN," was Jesus' prayer. No sickness there! Capisce?
3. God speaks the language of the spirit. Jhn 4:24 "God is spirit, & His worshipers must worship in spirit & in truth."
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Phil 1: 20 I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death.
James 1: 2,4 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing [this], that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have [her] perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
Phl 3:12, 13 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but [this] one thing [I do], forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Jer 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
1Th 5:23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 8:35, 39 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered." No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, [fn] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1Pe 2:20, 23 For what glory [is it], if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer [for it], ye take it patiently, this [is] acceptable with God. For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed [himself] to him that judgeth righteously:
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You are right to listen to your parents. They have your best interests in mind. You are an inspiration. I mused that there should be a summer reading list for aspiring atheists. I had these titles in mind...
Atheism For Dummies, Around the World In Atheist Days, Rich Atheist,Poor Atheist., etc
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John 10:30 I & MY FATHER ARE ONE.
John 17:11 Now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, & I come to You. Holy Father, KEEP THRU YOUR OWN NAME those whom You have given Me, that they may be ONE, AS WE [ARE].
1Cor 8:6 To us there is but ONE GOD, the Father, of Whom are all things, & we in Him; & ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, by Whom are all things, & we by Him.
1 John 5:7 There are THREE that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, & the Holy Ghost: THESE THREE ARE ONE.
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God is an Artist, not a scientist. Science reveals His artistry. Hypothesis begins with faith, or a supposition called theory. Ironically, faith is required to explain the tangible & intangible.
Vibrations from the Big Bang exist on a space-time continuum, pointing to the Creator, like a fingerprint or signature. He is the One Who instigated the first "bang," saying, "Let there be light." Words were the substance He used to create that light, & faith gave those words substance.
Any ?'s (-:
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Why don't these "scholars" quote their book? Perhaps they should wash their mouths with soap five times a day. At least it would be clean for a few minutes.
All haters go to Me-Tube now!
John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight."
There is more power in my Jesus than in all the armies of the world. There is more love in my Jesus than in all the religions of the world. There is more wisdom in my Jesus than in all the books of the world. There is more peace in my Jesus than in all the prayers of the world.
JESUS LIVES IN ME, not afar!
John 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the WORLD CANNOT receive, because it seeth HIM not, neither knoweth HIM: but ye know HIM; for HE DWELLETH WITH YOU, & shall be IN YOU.
"YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN!" Your speech proves it, your hatred proves it, your religion proves it, your life proves it.
THE TOWER OF BABEL is being constructed in the East. Its foundation is from Hell.
Thus says Ullah, " I am so angry. My true followers will resort to cursing if I am to make my point. They must keep bowing before me. They won't cease to bow until I'm no longer angry. When is that time? It is not for you to know,. Keep bowing or else I will turn on you too! Who are you to question Ullah? You are a roach, not a man. I will crush, & if seven more come to your funeral, well you guessed it. I tried to reason with Jesus, but He insists on loving His enemies. What is Ullah to do?
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Xavier,
I know I could never beat your wit & knowledge. In the end you would crush me with your intelligence, however, my experience in this matters is my guide, and that satisfies me. I was an agnostic Catholic. I didn't really believe in Jesus. If He didn't visit me in my pew on Palm Sunday March 19, 1978, I would not be having this conversation with you. Even Christians get it wrong...often. We are supposed to be "the light," and in the end, very often, we repel others.
Whatever wisdom I have is born of the grace of God. Perhaps you see a difference in my words than in the others? This is a result, not so much of study, but of humility. I tell God I know so little, & what I do know is a limited reality. It is from this position of utter dependence that He begins to pour out His wisdom on me. You can not measure, analyze, or compare this to anything related to religion. It is based on a relationship with the Living God. Religion is man's attempt to define God. God does not fit in a box called religion.
Having said this I want to "turn the coin over" and mention that God has no problem revealing Himself to mankind. He is more like us than we admit. He has emotions. He is also holy. We are not. I have much to say about this, but to sum it up, Jesus restores the relationship that was never meant to be broken between God & man.
You may say I have heard this all before, but don't assume you know the truth, rather, admit you are a seeker, & only then will you find what you are looking for. My first "true" prayer to Jesus went like this, "Jesus, I don't believe in You, but I will go to Mass & listen to the words of the priest." Today, I am not officially Catholic, but on March 19, '78 I was born again.
Stephen, in the Book of Acts, was so convincing that they stoned him. Jesus was so convincing that they crucified Him. Things are not what they appear to be. What looks strong is actually weak to God, & what looks weak is literally strong to God. He even ordained preaching, a very foolish communicative tool, as the main delivery system for the Good News of salvation. I suppose what I am trying to say to you is , "the way up is down, the first shall be last, the greatest among you shall be a servant of all." Yes, it is an "Upside Down Kingdom" we serve. You have to change your perspective to see it clearly.
Sincerely,
John
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More than a verb,
More than a noun,
Look for the Lord
Where love can be found!
Empirical: A central concept in science and the scientific method is that all evidence must be empirical, or empirically based, that is, dependent on evidence or consequences that are observable by the senses. Empirical data are data that are produced by experiment or observation. ...
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1Thessalonians 5:21 Test everything. Hold on to the good.
Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever,
Deuteronomy 10:14 To the Lord your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it.
Isaiah 25:1 you have done marvelous things, things planned long ago.
Isa 42:16 I will lead the blind by ways they have not known, along unfamiliar paths I will guide them; I will turn the darkness into light before them and make the rough places smooth. These are the things I will do; I will not forsake them.
RE: "Religion is for the weak minded, uneducated, fools who cannot reason and think for themselves."
Since you can "reason & think for yourself" stop talking like a "brown belt" atheist. By the way, "THE WORLD" you claim to live in is God's after thought., a mere ripple on His brain, & you think you're smart. Why don't you ask Him for the secret things, there's an empherical test for you. Also, thanks for the honor of being associated with Matthew, Mark, Luke & John, those "uneducated fools " who changed the world, which you're still upset about!
RE: "I live in the world of nano techology, physics, and mathematics."
You are an island of knowledge in a Universe of Wisdom. Look around and see what you don't know.
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Be Healed According To The Word Of God
The following are some of the classic Scripture verses on healing that one should study, learn and meditate upon.
Exodus 15:26, "If you will give earnest heed to the voice of the LORD your God, and do what is right in His sight, and give ear to His commandments, and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have put upon the Egyptians; for I, the LORD, AM YOUR HEALER."
Psalm 103:1-5, "Bless the LORD, O my soul, and all that is within me, bless His holy Name. Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget none of His benefits; Who pardons all your iniquities; Who heals all your diseases; Who redeems your life from the pit; Who crowns you with lovingkindness and compassion; Who satisfies your years with good things, so that your youth is renewed like the eagle."
Isaiah 53:5, "But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, and by His scourging we are healed."
I Peter 2:24, "And He Himself bore our sins in His body on the Cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed."
Matthew 8:16-17, "When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed; and He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were ill. This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: 'He Himself took our infirmities, and carried away our diseases.'"
Mark 16:16-17, "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."
I Corinthians 12:9, "...and to another the gifts of healing by the one Spirit."
James 5:14-15, "Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him."
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5thWatcher Corinthians is a letter written by Paul, not the words of Jesus. It therefore has no effect on my argument about what Jesus said concerning scripture. strong>johndewebIt must have an effect because you respondedYou are young, & you can overcome almost any mistake, but it starts with humility, & being teachable! You need a mentor!
If we dismiss SCRIPTURE there are many false teachers to fill that void! Any error IN THE BIBLE is merely proof that God can do anything in spite of us. Keep it intact! If He can speak through a DONKEY, He can speak through anybody, even a rock!
Act 15:35 Paul also & Barnabas continued in Antioch, TEACHING & PREACHING THE WORD OF THE LORD, with many others also.
johndewebIf I were you I would not take any pride in being dubbed a false teacher. Orally speaking, I would rather take my chances on SCRIPTURE than your mutterings!
2Cr 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Titus 2:5 (b) that the Word of God be not blasphemed.
5thWatcher
RE: "I'd like to agree with you... Jesus would have had no control over at least where he was born...'
johndeweb
Thanks for "throwing me a bone."
This "bone" could SAVE the world, & YOU got it from Scripture...
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, A VIRGIN SHALL CONCEIVE, & BEAR A SON, & shall call His name Immanuel.
Jn 15:7 If ye abide in Me, & MY WORDS abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, & it shall be done to you.
Martin Luther you are not* I have many more "silly" connections.
* Inspired? Who inspired you?
* Incidently, Bon Jovi's more inspiring!
* Don't take my word for it...1Corinthians 15:1, 3 Moreover, brethren, I DECLARE to you the GOSPEL which I PREACHED to you, which ALSO ye have RECEIVED, & wherein ye stand; By which ALSO ye are SAVED, IF ye KEEP in MEMORY what I preached to you, unless ye have BELIEVED in VAIN. For I DELIVERED to you 1st of all that which I ALSO RECEIVED
PS TRY MEMORIZATION
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A man was screaming for help, and a boy came to his aide. The man was offended by the youth so the boy ran away. The man kept screaming until a woman appeared. The man cursed & spit until the woman left too. As the day wore on the man lost hope. If he would have accepted his deliverers the man would have been spared, but in the end he died.
Jesus came to tell us about His Father. The world rejected His message & crucified Him; nevertheless, there are those who have listened & received the Gospel.
Brother, you are an Egyptian who has heard & received the grace of God. 1Sa 6:6 Wherefore then do ye harden your hearts, as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? when he had wrought wonderfully among them, did they not let the people go, and they departed?
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RE: The Jinn
I credit you with coming forth with this information, but the info is damning in my opinion. Since when is truth a matter of perspective? Honestly you seemed apologetic in your last letter. It sounded like you were saying, "I don't expect you to believe this because this is Muslim perspective."
Now you understand our difference. It is not so much the deity & salvation of Christ, which I believe in, but you are selective about truth, especially apparent on this Jinn topic. How can you aspire to Casper the Friendly Ghost? Leave that to Hollywood? There are no "friendly" ghosts! How foolish. If I said those things to you, you would never concede, "OK, Christian perspective."
In fact, you mock Jesus when you deny His deity, while claiming to honor Him. Don't you get it? Either you are blind, stubborn, or so resentful of Abraham's other offspring, Jacob, that you do not fathom this reality. What do YOU have to loss believing Jesus is Savior & Lord of all? Oh, I see now, the answer is... EVERYTHING!
So then, in order to gain God's approval you must forfeit your own. Rejection is painful, but Jesus endured the rejection of the Cross by looking forward to the reward. Eternal life is based on sacrifice, dying to "self " & living to Christ. But Jesus set the example as a servant's servant; therefore, no sacrifice is too great for the true Messiah.
Hey, Christians really love the Jews, & you know it, but we also know they don't always love us, save our tourism dollars & Defense Equipment. Why do we keep loving them? They were God's oracles until the time of Jesus. We can not deny them their just honor, even though they deny their Savior. The Jews, like you, see their mission through a jingoistic filter, much like Judas the betrayer. So they have historically built walls, and God keeps tearing them down. God can tear down your walls too, but He can also rebuild them...look at Israel today!
the world still needs Jesus, not mere religion, or scholarly teaching. Jesus didn't have one known scholar among the twelve disciples. He is seeking a people, from among every nation, who embody Abraham's faith! Hey, we were all slaves like Hagar. We were all cast aways. Ishmael was Abraham's attempt to "HELP" God. Cain's sacrifice was the same; self serving, self promoting. In a jealous rage he killed his brother Abel, but Abel's blood cries out to this day, and God has avenged him.
Humanism is a killer. It says'"Your religion is as good as mine!" Only Jesus is good, not you, not me, not Mohammed! The Jinn motivate these radical suicide bombers, and they leave a curse behind for their wives & children. The Jinn want you to respect them, but I will do no such thing. They want you in the dark, because they are afraid of the light, & truth is light. The Jinn can not be appeased. They will use you & Islam as a tool for world domination. When they achieve their goal, they will abandon you a make you worship demons in the end, like Mohammed did in the beginnAing.
Think on these things!
Sincerely,
Your friend & mentor, if you are willing,
John
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Thanks to vitaminatoz1to9 on Youtube for these referencesWant to know Islam, here are the websites:
www.muslimhope.com
www.answering-islam.org
www.investigateislam.com
www.gotquestions.org/Muslim-questions.html
www.apostatesofislam.com
answers.yahoo.com/question/index
www.faithfreedom.org/testimonials.htm
www.youtube.com/user/Muslims4Jesus
www.rim.org/muslim/JesusisGod.htm
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A man invited his neighbor to a feast. His neighbor hated him, so he ignored the invitation, supposing the man would forget. He did not forget. In fact, he sent his servants with a direct invitation. The neighbor beat the servants. When the man got word he sent his own son with a personal invitation to the neighbor. The neighbor was so full of rage he killed the son. What do you think? Will this neighbor go unpunished, or will he, and his decendents, pay for this crime?
Jesus is the Son! To this day the Jewish descendants of Abraham have suffered for rejecting Jesus, their Messiah. If God, the Father, is willing to do this to His closest neighbors, for the sin against His Son, what do you think will come of the foreigners who also reject His Son? They will burn in The Eternal Lake of Fire! God, the Father, will pour out His full Cup of Wrath on those who reject His Son's invitation to the Feast of Heaven!
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Two men took a journey. One was talking so much that his companion became very irritated. The quiet man suggested that the other person walk behind him. The talker agreed but now he was shouting. The quiet man was so upset that he turned and threatened the man who was shouting. "I'm shouting because you are not listening,'" replied the talker. This infuriated the quiet man so he grabbed the man and crucified him.
The talker is Jesus, but you are not listening... yet!
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Oh yes, He is the Beginning & the End! He is YOUR beginning & YOUR end! I told you God has many titles. Each one is a revelation. Time is a concept conceived by God. Before He created you He created time. Thus He is Alpha & Omega. A simple explanation will suffice. Eternity is the realm of God. Think of it as an ever expanding circle, like the universe. Time, however, is a continuum, with a BEGINNING, MIDDLE & END! God is the Author of time. He has the right to claim authorship. I drive a Ford. Henry Ford, and his descendants, have the right to use their name on their cars. Period. The interesting thing is found in the Book of Revelation. Revelation 1:10: "I was in the Spirit on THE LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet..."
Interestingly, "The Lord's Day" has not come yet, however John was there in the spirit. That means we Christians, Born Again, will see John on "the Lord's Day," just as he appeared in Revelation. It is a mystery, but God is eternal, and time is only a curtain.
What SEEMS complicated to you a child can understand. Not that you are stupid, the opposite. You are too smart for your own good! You think God is a brain? Adam understood these things, but they were lost in the Fall. Jesus is referred to as the second Adam, we don't need a third. To be the second means he is the substitute for the first. This means the first did not do his job, so he was fired. The second took his place by default. It was not the original intention, but the only solution for redemption. God holds Himself, and Jinn knows it, to the highest standard of integrity. To ransom man He had to do so as a man. The ransom price? A life for a life. Jinn Master thought it was check mate. Wrong. A sinless man, like the first Adam before the Fall, had the legal right to redeem mankind. God, Emmanuel, became a man. You should love the Jews, if only for this reason!
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